debt in dispute cannot be sold or transfered...help

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Permalink Reply by Eddie Boyce on August 29, 2013 at 21:42

Hi Steve

We would need more information as to what the so called "Debt" pertains too?

Obviously the more information we have the more we can hopefully help you.

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Permalink Reply by steve grey on August 29, 2013 at 22:46

thanks Eddie for the reply. I already been to the hearing this pm, and it was just that. The original instrument was "purchased" by 1st Credit last year from the original bank whom it was in dispute with (I have a fully matured commercial lien but they "sold" the alleged loan anyway) but 1st Credit are aggressive, would not let go. Sent them at least 7 notices of "stress and distress" which included all the usual...debt is in dispute...3rd party status...Harassment laws ect ect the whole works but still, they took it legal. Today was a "pre-hearing" to see if I had a case for as hearing. I sent into court a "power of attorney" signed and witnessed by my wife (the order is made out to her) even though I am a party to contract. I sent the POA to the court several weeks ago and I know they received it cos they at first wouldn't speak to me but then found the POA. I got to court today, fully prepared and was basing everything on the "illegal transfer" of the original contract. Done a lot of work, had my "notice for further and better particular" un-answered by 1st credit 3 wks ago. followed that up with "notice to admit facts, no answers, sent with CPS form "notice to provide documents at hearing"...again no answers. Get to court and the judge would NOT accept my POA, informed me that I was not permitted to enter any argument, and not to comment, all while they rail roaded me to a "case dismissed" and entered judgement against me. So now have to re-visit this POA and put ion an appeal. This was really and truly  a dog and pony show. Marcus provided a lot of last minute help but to no avail, but a mystery on the POA, I used one from Marcus, witnessed by 2. I told the court the reason my wife was not there was due to the stress and distress this whole thing has caused...  

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Permalink Reply by Darren on September 13, 2013 at 9:34

steve grey said:

thanks Eddie for the reply. I already been to the hearing this pm, and it was just that. The original instrument was "purchased" by 1st Credit last year from the original bank whom it was in dispute with (I have a fully matured commercial lien but they "sold" the alleged loan anyway) but 1st Credit are aggressive, would not let go. Sent them at least 7 notices of "stress and distress" which included all the usual...debt is in dispute...3rd party status...Harassment laws ect ect the whole works but still, they took it legal. Today was a "pre-hearing" to see if I had a case for as hearing. I sent into court a "power of attorney" signed and witnessed by my wife (the order is made out to her) even though I am a party to contract. I sent the POA to the court several weeks ago and I know they received it cos they at first wouldn't speak to me but then found the POA. I got to court today, fully prepared and was basing everything on the "illegal transfer" of the original contract. Done a lot of work, had my "notice for further and better particular" un-answered by 1st credit 3 wks ago. followed that up with "notice to admit facts, no answers, sent with CPS form "notice to provide documents at hearing"...again no answers. Get to court and the judge would NOT accept my POA, informed me that I was not permitted to enter any argument, and not to comment, all while they rail roaded me to a "case dismissed" and entered judgement against me. So now have to re-visit this POA and put ion an appeal. This was really and truly  a dog and pony show. Marcus provided a lot of last minute help but to no avail, but a mystery on the POA, I used one from Marcus, witnessed by 2. I told the court the reason my wife was not there was due to the stress and distress this whole thing has caused...  

Sounds Like  a very interesting case. Thanks For sharing. Please keep me informed. id be happy to hear the final results. I cant believe the Judge would literally shut you up while they make judgement on you. WTF. so what about your side of the story. Was you not allowed to share your side or what????

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Permalink Reply by steve grey on September 13, 2013 at 10:49

no not at all. I am in the process of appealing as we spk. Do you know anyone whom has experience in Statute Law???, I am a little unsure of the forms I need to use, it seems there a few: Appellants Notice n161 or Application Notice n244? Do I also send in along with Notice "Application for leave of Appeal"? what about a Skeleton Argument? I ask as I still have not seen sight of order but have spoken to court, the order states "No reasonable grounds for defending the claim" only the appeal has to leave on Mon!
 
Darren said:

steve grey said:

thanks Eddie for the reply. I already been to the hearing this pm, and it was just that. The original instrument was "purchased" by 1st Credit last year from the original bank whom it was in dispute with (I have a fully matured commercial lien but they "sold" the alleged loan anyway) but 1st Credit are aggressive, would not let go. Sent them at least 7 notices of "stress and distress" which included all the usual...debt is in dispute...3rd party status...Harassment laws ect ect the whole works but still, they took it legal. Today was a "pre-hearing" to see if I had a case for as hearing. I sent into court a "power of attorney" signed and witnessed by my wife (the order is made out to her) even though I am a party to contract. I sent the POA to the court several weeks ago and I know they received it cos they at first wouldn't speak to me but then found the POA. I got to court today, fully prepared and was basing everything on the "illegal transfer" of the original contract. Done a lot of work, had my "notice for further and better particular" un-answered by 1st credit 3 wks ago. followed that up with "notice to admit facts, no answers, sent with CPS form "notice to provide documents at hearing"...again no answers. Get to court and the judge would NOT accept my POA, informed me that I was not permitted to enter any argument, and not to comment, all while they rail roaded me to a "case dismissed" and entered judgement against me. So now have to re-visit this POA and put ion an appeal. This was really and truly  a dog and pony show. Marcus provided a lot of last minute help but to no avail, but a mystery on the POA, I used one from Marcus, witnessed by 2. I told the court the reason my wife was not there was due to the stress and distress this whole thing has caused...  

Sounds Like  a very interesting case. Thanks For sharing. Please keep me informed. id be happy to hear the final results. I cant believe the Judge would literally shut you up while they make judgement on you. WTF. so what about your side of the story. Was you not allowed to share your side or what????

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Permalink Reply by Darren on September 13, 2013 at 16:04

Hey steven, my knowledge is very limited on Statute Law infact zero. however the best person to ask would be the spaniard, white rabbit who you can find on youtube. The only thing I found with him is he is extremely busy and some times you may have to wait a few days/weeks for a response. I guess you probably need that info quite quick, so hopefully someone where can help you out. Youve done the right thinkg and posted in the forum. so lets see what happens. Ill check on youtube to see if there are any folks in the UK who might be talking about that.

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Permalink Reply by dave freeman on September 13, 2013 at 16:34

Hi Steve, good advice by Darren, but for quick results go to getoutofdebtfree.org, these people are masters of the universe. One thing I have learned from GOODF is no fear only results against the robbing B'stards. Don't delay and don't be scared as we have right on our side as well as law, legal and lawful.

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Permalink Reply by dave freeman on September 13, 2013 at 19:26

Hi again Steve, hope you don't mind but I've just posted your post on GOODF. Hoping to hear back soon, and apologies if I have offended anyone by doing this, my reason is purely to help. Good luck.

steve grey said:

thanks Eddie for the reply. I already been to the hearing this pm, and it was just that. The original instrument was "purchased" by 1st Credit last year from the original bank whom it was in dispute with (I have a fully matured commercial lien but they "sold" the alleged loan anyway) but 1st Credit are aggressive, would not let go. Sent them at least 7 notices of "stress and distress" which included all the usual...debt is in dispute...3rd party status...Harassment laws ect ect the whole works but still, they took it legal. Today was a "pre-hearing" to see if I had a case for as hearing. I sent into court a "power of attorney" signed and witnessed by my wife (the order is made out to her) even though I am a party to contract. I sent the POA to the court several weeks ago and I know they received it cos they at first wouldn't speak to me but then found the POA. I got to court today, fully prepared and was basing everything on the "illegal transfer" of the original contract. Done a lot of work, had my "notice for further and better particular" un-answered by 1st credit 3 wks ago. followed that up with "notice to admit facts, no answers, sent with CPS form "notice to provide documents at hearing"...again no answers. Get to court and the judge would NOT accept my POA, informed me that I was not permitted to enter any argument, and not to comment, all while they rail roaded me to a "case dismissed" and entered judgement against me. So now have to re-visit this POA and put ion an appeal. This was really and truly  a dog and pony show. Marcus provided a lot of last minute help but to no avail, but a mystery on the POA, I used one from Marcus, witnessed by 2. I told the court the reason my wife was not there was due to the stress and distress this whole thing has caused...  

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Permalink Reply by dave freeman on September 14, 2013 at 10:49

Hi again Steve, I posted your post on GOODF and here is the following reply from a member known as assassin.

by assassin » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:19 am

Report the judge for Misconduct in Public Office as any POA lawfully executed stands, therefore the Judge has breached their own CPR Protocols ans Human Rights legislation.

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Permalink Reply by steve grey on September 14, 2013 at 13:19

yes that is what I thought, in my opinion the POA was in accordance with the POA Act 1971. I have found out that any POA has to be "Registered" with the Office of the Public Guardian, well this is what my Notary told me and this costs £130. Useful info for everyone if its fact?
 
dave freeman said:

Hi again Steve, I posted your post on GOODF and here is the following reply from a member known as assassin.

by assassin » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:19 am

Report the judge for Misconduct in Public Office as any POA lawfully executed stands, therefore the Judge has breached their own CPR Protocols ans Human Rights legislation.

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Permalink Reply by dave freeman on September 14, 2013 at 14:05

Steve, I can tell your no wilting flower but, as habeas said redress and remedy lies with statute laws (I think) so on that note start playing both sets of cards. Watch the videos on this site of Habeas and also Ceylon as we need every (their) trick in the book, to overcome these b'stards, also it won't hurt to join getoutofdebtfree.org, now and start your posts.

Good luck Steve.

steve grey said:

yes that is what I thought, in my opinion the POA was in accordance with the POA Act 1971. I have found out that any POA has to be "Registered" with the Office of the Public Guardian, well this is what my Notary told me and this costs £130. Useful info for everyone if its fact?
 
dave freeman said:

Hi again Steve, I posted your post on GOODF and here is the following reply from a member known as assassin.

by assassin » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:19 am

Report the judge for Misconduct in Public Office as any POA lawfully executed stands, therefore the Judge has breached their own CPR Protocols ans Human Rights legislation.

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Permalink Reply by steve grey on September 14, 2013 at 16:13

thanks a lot dave, yes I am already a member godf. Re this post from assassin, in the research I done it seems that a "general POA" doesn't have to be registered if the donor is 'not' mentally incapacitated. The challenge from what I can see is if it is correct/or not that the county court will accept a POA that is NOT registered, as that is what they told me when I was there. I put together what I consider to be a good case for putting forward my "leave for appeal" and request for a new trial but it would be good if I can also put the judge in a corner but I cant find out if courts accept a general POA that is NOT registered....
 
dave freeman said:

Steve, I can tell your no wilting flower but, as habeas said redress and remedy lies with statute laws (I think) so on that note start playing both sets of cards. Watch the videos on this site of Habeas and also Ceylon as we need every (their) trick in the book, to overcome these b'stards, also it won't hurt to join getoutofdebtfree.org, now and start your posts.

Good luck Steve.

steve grey said:

yes that is what I thought, in my opinion the POA was in accordance with the POA Act 1971. I have found out that any POA has to be "Registered" with the Office of the Public Guardian, well this is what my Notary told me and this costs £130. Useful info for everyone if its fact?
 
dave freeman said:

Hi again Steve, I posted your post on GOODF and here is the following reply from a member known as assassin.

by assassin » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:19 am

Report the judge for Misconduct in Public Office as any POA lawfully executed stands, therefore the Judge has breached their own CPR Protocols ans Human Rights legislation.

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Permalink Reply by dave freeman on September 14, 2013 at 21:33

Thanks for replying Steve, but alas I'm no academic on law so I think more learned people than I will need to help. Nevertheless, keep fighting Steve and good luck.

steve grey said:

thanks a lot dave, yes I am already a member godf. Re this post from assassin, in the research I done it seems that a "general POA" doesn't have to be registered if the donor is 'not' mentally incapacitated. The challenge from what I can see is if it is correct/or not that the county court will accept a POA that is NOT registered, as that is what they told me when I was there. I put together what I consider to be a good case for putting forward my "leave for appeal" and request for a new trial but it would be good if I can also put the judge in a corner but I cant find out if courts accept a general POA that is NOT registered....
 
dave freeman said:

Steve, I can tell your no wilting flower but, as habeas said redress and remedy lies with statute laws (I think) so on that note start playing both sets of cards. Watch the videos on this site of Habeas and also Ceylon as we need every (their) trick in the book, to overcome these b'stards, also it won't hurt to join getoutofdebtfree.org, now and start your posts.

Good luck Steve.

steve grey said:

yes that is what I thought, in my opinion the POA was in accordance with the POA Act 1971. I have found out that any POA has to be "Registered" with the Office of the Public Guardian, well this is what my Notary told me and this costs £130. Useful info for everyone if its fact?
 
dave freeman said:

Hi again Steve, I posted your post on GOODF and here is the following reply from a member known as assassin.

by assassin » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:19 am

Report the judge for Misconduct in Public Office as any POA lawfully executed stands, therefore the Judge has breached their own CPR Protocols ans Human Rights legislation.

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